Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy Selfridge

There is no excuse for *not* learning touch typing.
The secretaries all have to touch type because they are looking at their
short hand to see what they are supposed to say.
660 words per minute is pretty much the norm for a good typest (I ain't no
where near there - LOLLOLLOL) and you can not reach anything near that speed
by looking at the keyboard. JMO, Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I guess every school for the blind in the country taught typing, even back
in The Bronze Age. I've heard Ronnie Millsap joke that they only did it so
the house parents wouldn't have to help write letters home, but it turned
out to be one of the best investments of time I ever made--and I did it for
7 of my 12 years, never dreaming what lay down the road.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Stephanie Switzer
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 6:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I learned touch typing by using Talking typer. From what I can remember they
introduce you to a few keys at a time until you've learned the entire
keyboard. Braille on a computer keyboard isn't really necessary because the
F and J keys have a line or a dot (depending on how old the computer is) on
them. When I took Keyboarding in school the teacher made us learn touch
typing. (I took it with sighted kids because I was main
streamed.) I tried the braille overlays when I was about your daughter's age
and they kept slipping off the keyboard (Do those still exist?) Finally one
of my Vision impaired teachers (V. I.s) got me talking typer. Anyway I
started writing this to point out that most sighted people don't look at the
keyboard while they type, so why should we? :) I'm only saying the "sighted
people" part because I remember that my keyboarding teacher said it over and
over. :) I admire you for allowing your daughter the chance to use a quarity
keyboard. I didn't get to use one until resently. Though that was more the
school's fault then my parrents.
lol. :)
Good luck with everthing! :)

On 6/22/12, Kimsan Song <kimsansong@...> wrote:
Oh? My? Gosh? Dave Carlson you crack me up!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Late? Not at all. It's still 2012. You have up to a year, month, and a
day to respond. OF course the originator may have moved on to other
topics -- or lists, or countries.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: <ckrugman@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 07:01
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Hi Richard,
This is a late response. I first started to learn to type on an old
manual typewriter when I was about your daughter's age fifty years
ago. At thattime
my classroom had a Braille book with a prototype of a keyboard
keys with Braille labels that was part of the Braille book. I
memorized the keyboard and my average typing speed on a typewriter is
about 60-70 WPM. If your daughter is going to be proficient she needs
to learn proper fingering and memorization. This is the same method
that professional sighted stenographers and typists have used for
years. Of course, at that time while use of Braille was encouraged for
totally blind children it was also expected that blind children
learned how to adapt and used standard whenever possible. hope this
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I am a typically sighted parent of a blind child (age 9). I interact
with many other parents of blind children and could use some advice
for my child and to share with other parents.

My daughter was effectively born blind having lost all usable vision
by a few months of age. She learned braille from the start and
learned to type on a perkins brailler first, then started to learn
qwerty. She much prefers to use a braille keyboard on her computer
and notetaker (Apex) as well, keeping a qwerety keyboard plugged in
on her computer for occasional use for certain keys and functions.

My question is this: What is the best way for a blind typist to learn
to use a qwerty keyboard; to do this most efficiently? Is it using
JAWS feedback with the repeating of characters verbally as typed?
What about the braille key caps, or at least braille stickers for
keys? (I have never yet found a USB braille key capped keyboard, only
an old PS-2 style unit) I get that touch typing and just pressing
down on braille key caps would be of little use braille-wise, but is
is like for sighted typists, in that it helps get reoriented when
your fingers move or you get distracted, etc., and just to learn
qwerty in the beginning? It would be easy enough to remove the
braille and go with a standard keyboard later on-- conventional
keyboards are cheap.

What we end up with as parents is an argument between (mostly
typically-sighted) parents that braille caps are a great idea vs. how
bad of an idea they are to use. I'm not trying to sit in either
camp-- I'm wondering which seems to help (and curious about any
suggestions of the best ways to learn qwerty typing without vision).

I don't want to clog up the list too much with this, though it is
JAWS-related, obviously. Please do feel free to reply directly if you
prefer. Your response may be valuable to quite a few parents of
younger, keyboard-learning braille computer users, so thanks for any
experience you may be able to share.

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