moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Annabelle Susan Morison

Hey TJ!
I know someone with that name. I had a classmate in Audio Engineering back in 2008-2009 whose name is TJ. I wonder, is Keynote Gold a Linux-based screenreader? I once used a Braille Note, at least I think that's what they're called. It was the first version of a laptop I had in school. It came with Keysoft, which has a word processor, a scientific calculator, a diary, an address book, a communications terminal, and some other neat stuff. In addition to an Address List, the address book even included parameters for making things like a Book Catalog, an Inventory, a Membership List, and a Music Catalog. I even used Megadots, an early version of a Braille Translator software, which worked in conjunction with a Braille Blazer Embosser. Remember those?

On 10/08/2022 6:27 PM TJ McElroy gMail <> wrote:

Hi Glen,

You are correct,
Linux is not as resource hungry as say Windows, but to have a speaking version of Linux is not easy for some folks,

In my opinion, Windows screen readers are far superior to Linux screen readers

to learn a new operating system and a new screen reader at the same time was not that easy.

I guess that it all depends on why someone would want to learn Linux.

I guess the older I get, the lazier I get.

I like the idea of learning more Linux  skills without the hassle of having to learn a new screen reader at the same time.

I will say though, I plan to learn more about some of the Linux  systems that have been mentioned in this thread, especially for being able to recover a corrupted system.


On 10/8/2022 8:51 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
One solution to people who don't want to throw out an old computer is to install Linux onto it.
Linux is not as resource hungry as windows, and can run on older machines that windows struggles with.
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Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Hi Glen,

My goal is not to convert anyone to Linux.

I to learned to use computers back in the MS Dos days.

My first time with Linux was Red Hat and Speak up.

If someone has the in cling to learn Linux and is a screen reader user, WSL is a easy and safe choice.

The latest Windows Notepad  will save files in both Linux and Windows format.

You can share a directory on your Windows machine with your WSL Linux
Files and resources can be shared between WSL and Windows.

I have dabbled with Power Shell, it is wordy and not as much fun as Bash, Pearl, PHP, WSH or MS dos batch files

As a screen reader user, I am not looking to Linux for it's graphic user interface, but it's command line power.

If someone wants a graphic user interface they can stay with Windows, however with the addition of WSL, they can have both a powerful Windows machine and Linux machine at their finger tips.


On 10/8/2022 8:22 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi TJ,
Although I was a DOS user before Windows came out, and got good with it, and also, I used the command-line in Windows a lot, I didn't get into Linux until there was the  Orca screenreader and an actual desktop.
I dare say that the Linux CLI is a sell to a DOS user, but most windows users would have to have a lot of motivation to go from a windows GUI to a Linux CLI.
I do use the CLI in Linux, but it is mainly for operations like the DD command, or updates, or installing programs, since those things in Linux are as easy as falling off a log.
But to get folks interested in Linux, I would it is best to direct them to using the computer in Linux as they do in windows first, and then, little by little, they can pick up some command-line commands.

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Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?


I only use the terminal.

I do not have experience with 'VmWare'

I am pointing out that 'wsl' is an option to learn Linux

It will work with your current screen reader, it is free, easy to install and a great option to learn Linux.


On 10/8/2022 7:29 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Does that now give the user the desktop, or just the terminal?
It may not be any better than installing VmWare, and installing the ISO to that.
With VmWare, you can also install not just Linux, but any version of Windows that your heart desires.

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Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?


If you want to learn Linux
and are currently using Windows 10 or 11

you can install Windows Subsystem for Linux

** How to Install WSL 2 on Windows 10

"WSL 2 is a major upgrade over the
original version of WSL
 Microsoft introduced in 2017. More than a mere version bump, WSL 2 is faster, more versatile, and uses a real Linux kernel."

(You will need about 10 gig to install 'wsl2 and Ubuntu')
ubuntu - How Much Disk Space is WSL Using On Windows? - Super User

Please read the above instructions, however it is as easy as:

" to install WSL 2 on Windows 10 OS Build 2004 or later you need to open the command prompt app with Administrator permissions, and enter the following command:

wsl.exe --install

As soon as you hit enter, the process automatically gets to work. It enables the WSL optional features required, fetches the latest WSL Linux kernel version,
and installs Ubuntu as your default distro"

Again please read the install instructions, there is a little setup of Ubuntu
that you will need to perform prior to being able to use it.

Once installed, you can put a link to Ubuntu  on your desktop or task bar and will be as easy to use as any other program


On 10/8/2022 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

From: <> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

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